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tv   Man from the North  BBC News  January 28, 2017 12:30am-1:01am GMT

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headlines: the prime minister theresa may has become the first foreign leader to hold talks with president trump at the white house. leaders pledged allegiance to the special relationship tween the two countries and they said they would work to establish trade relations. mrs may said mrtrump was establish trade relations. mrs may said mr trump was 100% behind the transatlantic alliance, despite his recent comments dismissing it as obsolete. this is trump has accepted a —— and invitation to visit this year. the white house hasn't released details but a draft called for a 30 day suspension on visas for people from countries including syria and iraq has been put in place. in august, 2016, thae yong—ho became one of the highest ranking officials ever to defect from north korea. he
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had been a diplomat for tongan in london. he has been speaking to our sole correspondent. i'm i' m steve i'm steve evans and this is seoul, one of the most prosperous and bustling cities in asia. it is only 100 miles from pyongyang, but in terms of atmosphere and attitude it is1 million miles away. this is now the home of thae yong—ho, the north korean diplomat who defected from london. he lives here in secret, accompanied by a body guards, often in disguise. north korea called him human scum and that's because he was so human scum and that's because he was so central to north korea's diplomatic effort. i will be talking to him in a moment. he lived in london with his family and the families of two other north korean
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diplomats in the embassy. 0utwardly a bush while suburban house. thae yong—ho escorted kim jong—un‘s brother to a rock concert in the royal albert hall. —— outwardly a rouge was. he summed the praises of socialism. and now in south korea where i met him. he won't say how he got here. the secret services of the united states or britain, or south korea helped? united states or britain, or south korea helped 7 hao united states or britain, or south korea helped? hao wei you getting on in seoul? but he did talk about how his family turned him against the regime in tom young. —— how are you getting on. me and my family, my sons and my wife, did not come to that kind of conclusion just in one day. at the first stage there is a
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kind of ideological debate inside the family, especially between me and my son is, when my son is entered the uk's university, the education they received was quite different to what they got in north korea. it was something totally different. so at first they started to ask me questions, why, when they learned history in high school, then my son after school he came to me and asked which is right, about the second world war, the first world war. so there was quite a different explanation about the same thing in the uk and north korea. so first of these questions started to come up
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to me and then these questions pushed me into a very difficult situation, e—commerce as a father i have to tell the truth. —— because asa have to tell the truth. —— because as a father. and if i tell the truth then my explanation would be quite different to what the north korean regime, you know, so far brainwashed. but as a father i can't tell them liars, so i started to tell them liars, so i started to tell them liars, so i started to tell them the truth. meanwhile, the environment of my sons was a little bit difficult for my sons to cope with. for instance, when my son had long hair, then his friends may ask questions like, aren't you afraid of being arrested by kim jong—un because you have long hair? in north
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korea, if anyone has long hair, that is the subject of these kinds of questions. they always make my son is very difficult when they mingle with british friends. and his friends asked my son questions like why there is no internet, why north korea and are forbidden to access internet. my sons asked me, wiry doesn't the north korean regime allowed the internet? these very simple questions. i have to tell them the long story wire, why are politically. so these kinds of questions and debate is started inside my family. at that time i
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thought my sons deserve the truth. but the truth is very dangerous, isn't it? because if you were then putting the party line out in public, but the truth to your sons. . . public, but the truth to your sons... there was a danger that your sons... there was a danger that your sons were going to say, my dad doesn't believe all that stuff, and then your life was in danger. that's right. i always have to remind my son that they should keep what i told them in their mind. they should not tell anyone. as a diplomat, i have to pretend to be loyal to the regime. so all these things put me ina very regime. so all these things put me in a very difficult condition inside the family and, meanwhile, i learnt that since my sons knew the truth it would be very difficult for them in
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their future to survive in north korea. was it gradual? it was a very long process. because a year ago even you are going to public meetings with the communist party and singing the praises of kim jong—un and socialism. so did you believe it when he said that? no, because actually to be honest my doubt on the north korean regime and north korean society started even in the late1990s. making north korean 5ociety 5tarted even in the late 19905. making the decision the late19905. making the decision wa5 the late19905. making the decision was that i was lucky to bring both of my sons to london, because
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diplomats of north korea should leave one of his children in pyongyang, to abuse this to a love between parents and children as a kind of tool to control the diplomats. but i was lucky. you still have family in north korea. will you ever see them again, will you ever talk to them again? you have any indication about how they feel? so far now iambic target of the organisation by the north korean regime. —— now i am the target. i am sure that my relatives, my brother at and sisters, family, by now are all sent to either removed, closed areas 01’ all sent to either removed, closed areas or prison camps. so that
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really breaks my heart. if you could imagine your rather shouting at you, why did you do this to me? —— brother. why did you put me in this place? what would you say? that is really, you know, a question which i do not like to even think about. yes. but that's why i am very much 110w yes. but that's why i am very much now determined to do everything possible to pull down the north korean regime, in order to save not only my family members but the whole north korean people from slavery. the think you will ever see your brother again? i am absolutely sure and this is my dream, to walk back
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to my hometown. lots of people outside say there is a prison camp system in north korea, gulag system. the regime in pyongyang emphatically denies that. what's the truth of it as you see it? all north korean people know that there is a prison camps. it is common knowledge inside north korea. and it is the kind of... one part of everyday life in north korea, that if you commit any crime is which is the threat to the system, then you will be sent to these prison camps. thousands of families in pyongyang were all sent to the prison camps. not one or two, thousands of families were sent to
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prison camps. there is a new president in washington with a very different tone and many policy. and yourformer different tone and many policy. and your former country is much closer to having nuclear weapons. what do you think should be done? the trump administration should not acknowledge the status of north korea a5 a nuclear power, because kim jong—un korea a5 a nuclear power, because kimjong—un and korea a5 a nuclear power, because kim jong—un and the regime want to achieve a kind of compromise between north korea and america. so the american administration should not fall in this trap. don't do deals? to do deals, and they should
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continue to push the sanctions and they should continue the concerted effort to sanction north korea, the north korea should give up the nuclear weapons programme itself. if, when, kim jong—un nuclear weapons programme itself. if, when, kimjong—un get5 nuclear weapons programme itself. if, when, kimjong—un gets the bomb properly, and missiles to deliver, i5 properly, and missiles to deliver, is he capable of pressing that hutton and destroying lo5 is he capable of pressing that hutton and destroying los angeles? kim jong—un knows quite well that nuclear weapons are the only guarantee for his rule. kimjong—un, i think, will press the button of this dangerous weapon when he thinks
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that his rule and his dynasty i5 threatened to collapse. he would destroy lo5 threatened to collapse. he would destroy los angeles, even though the retaliation would kill him? yes, because he knew that if... he lose the power, then it is his last day. so he may do anything... to attack lo5 so he may do anything... to attack los angeles, because once the people know that in any way he will be killed, then you can do anything. that is the human beings' normal reaction. how do you assess kim
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jong—un? he is sometimes painted outside as a buffoon, a5 jong—un? he is sometimes painted outside as a buffoon, as not very bright, and sometimes as well as being very devious. how do you a55e55 being very devious. how do you assess him? you know, north korean society can only be held in place by idolising or raising the leader as a god. so we have to remove the image and the process of idealisation of kim jong—un insight north and the process of idealisation of kimjong—un insight north korean society. he rules by fear, clearly. but also i watched three girls in pyongyang. they didn't know they we re pyongyang. they didn't know they were being watched by me. they went
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up were being watched by me. they went up to were being watched by me. they went uptoa were being watched by me. they went up to a statue of his father and grandfather and they came away with moist eyes. so there's more than the going isn't there? explained this complexity. he the children, from the age of three, are brainwashed to bow in front of the statue of the kim family, and then when they have lunch or dinner in kindergarten, they were taught to thank, for the meal. so north korean people are growing up in this kind of, you know, idolising proce55. people are growing up in this kind of, you know, idolising process. so i think the tears which you have seen i think the tears which you have seen during your stay in pyonyang may be, might be, the true feeling. but the majority of the ruling class in north korea, high officials or
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elites, they now learnt that this kind of a red entry system has nothing to do with the true communism —— hereditary. the kim family only built north korea for the kim family's prosperity alone. and now that people, most of the people, and especially the elite group, learned that the current system is nothing but only serves the kim family alone. that is the point. so i am sure that one day those elites will turn their back on kimjong—un, and those elites will turn their back on kim jong—un, and they will also ri5e up, together with a popular uprising, yes. in this country, in south korea, there is sometimes talk
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of decapitation. in effect, assassinating kim jong—un, if that we re assassinating kim jong—un, if that were possible. what do you think of that? i think that is unlikely. because, you know, even north korean people do not know the whereabouts of kim jong—un. myself, people do not know the whereabouts of kimjong—un. myself, i've never seen car, of kimjong—un. myself, i've never seen car, even, in pyonyang city. even the high officials in north korea do not know where is his office, where is his house, no. he i5a office, where is his house, no. he is a kind of leader in the air. whenever he visits some places, or whenever he holds some meetings, it i5 whenever he holds some meetings, it is already, you know, preset. the process , is already, you know, preset. the process, and even myself, and even the high officials don't know where he is. let me talk about how north korean diplomats work. what were the
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kinds of things that you would do to raise money, orju5t to please the regime? i'm thinking you escorted kim jong—un's rather to an eric cla pton kim jong—un's rather to an eric clapton concert. tell me about that, what happened ? clapton concert. tell me about that, what happened? kim jong-un's brother i5a what happened? kim jong-un's brother is a really good musician, at my impression. he plays guitar very well, and he actually... actually he has met eric clapton, you know. he watched eric clapton's performance twice in london, and whenever he was at that, you know, in the albert hall to watch eric clapton, i can 5ee hall to watch eric clapton, i can see the tears, even, in his eyes. and he is only interested in music, nothing else. i took a good many
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places, like parliament square, you know, trafalgar square, and all the nice, you know, top ten sites and places. but he never asked even a single question, you know, about these other places, or even the history, about britain. he is not interested at all. so i kept on telling him this and that, you know, andi telling him this and that, you know, and i soon learnt that he is not interested in those, you know, sightseeing, or history, or important people. he is only interested in music. eric clapton. eric lupton. did you do anything that you are ashamed of, and did you do anything criminal? did you break the law, british law —— clapton. a5 a diplomat of the dprk? no. i didn't
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break any law. not one to do with making money for the regime, or raising money for the regime? because there are all kinds of stories that dprk diplomats have to engage in crime to raise money for pyonyang. yes, but not all countries, you know, allow that kind of thing. for instance, the north korean diplomats in europe, you know, especially like britain and france where there is a really high level of securities, you know, and also with the intelligence services, it is really dangerous for not only north korean diplomats, or even the otherforeign diplomats north korean diplomats, or even the other foreign diplomats a5 north korean diplomats, or even the other foreign diplomats as well, to do this kind of illicit activities.
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in terms of law, we didn't pay, for instance, the condition charges, you know, the parking fees, north korean members in london. so far i think the outstanding parking accommodation and parking fines are around, to my memory, 5o accommodation and parking fines are around, to my memory, so around £100,000. what do you miss about britain? your life in britain seemed to me to be very english and lots of ways. you played tennis in a rather nice suburban tennis club. what do you miss about your life that?” really miss that kind of, you know, life, you know, especially in dealing. and even now i am really
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5orry dealing. and even now i am really sorry for not saying goodbye to my tennis club —— ealing. you know, the members, because they are really nice, and you know, gentle. and so, if possible, i want to say, you know, the official goodbye to my old tennis club members. we have been the member of this club for eight years. my youngest son even joined this club when he was at the age of eight, you know. and we had a really, really wonderful coach that, you know? he was an old man and he thought all members of my family had to play tennis. me, my kids, my wife. you know, so the whole tennis clu b wife. you know, so the whole tennis club members were just one family members. and we had... really still
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miss english, the spring, the autumn, where you have this wonderful tennis. so now i really wa nt to wonderful tennis. so now i really want to say goodbye and thank you to all my club members. finally, how do you think kim jong—un will end his days? is he going to die peacefully in his own bed? no. or how? i'm sure that kim jong—un regime will one day colla pse that kim jong—un regime will one day collapse by people's uprising. thank you very much. thank you. hello there. january has
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hello there. january has certainly hello there. january has certainly been dry and we are watching for the change in weather for sometime and it looks as if it is starting to ta ke it looks as if it is starting to take place. it certainly has been changing through the day on friday, the milder atlantic avenue finally bring some rain into the west. temperatures have risen and we have started to move this cold air, this cold, continental european air away from the uk. it is a gradual process , a cross from the uk. it is a gradual process, across northern from the uk. it is a gradual proce55, across northern and from the uk. it is a gradual proce55, acro55 northern and eastern areas we have freezing fog, we have still had some ice around and we could well still have some cold weather through the first part of saturday morning, because after all it takes a while for the ground to warm up. so some of this rain that you see will fall as wintry nurse on the hills, some sleet and snow and also falling onto the frozen services that could actually be quite icy for some parts of northern ireland in particular, western parts of the uk and scotland, northern england. so that something for saturday morning to concern ourselves about. but gradually through the day it will get milder. still a lot of very murky weather, some and some hill fog around. through the second half of the day we have seen brighter weather coming into northern ireland and western
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pa rt5 of england into northern ireland and western parts of england as well, but the ea5t parts of england as well, but the east of scotland, the east of england, could well hang on to some rather grey conditions that some showers for much of the day. it is not particularly warm still, but five and six are still better than the two and three we have seen this week. that area of rain finally clears through saturday night. little bridge of high pressure temporarily but not for long, and this is what is giving us a headache for this weekend. this area of cloud and rain and how far north that is going to come. and computer models have been disagreeing a little bit, so have been disagreeing a little bit, so there is still a question mark. it looks at the moment and it has done quite consistently that scotla nd done quite consistently that scotland will get off to a dry and fine day, to start within eastern area5, fine day, to start within eastern areas, but now it looks like some of the heaviest rain could scoot up across northern ireland and the west and parts across northern ireland and the west and pa rt5 of across northern ireland and the west and parts of the country. strong winds with it as well and there will be some damp weather across england and wales. certainly a damp day than we have had for some time but at
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least it will be mild in the rain. in the north, well, some sunshine but probably five to seven degrees the high. 0n but probably five to seven degrees the high. on monday, that rain as sword move5 the high. on monday, that rain as sword moves away. we have the next band of rain moving in, so it is a much more unsettled picture, really, through monday and tuesday. looking at the bigger picture, we can see that low pressure coming up the western side of the uk. it is still taking its time to get across to the eastern side. so not as much rain here. it still looks as if the heaviest rain in the strongest winds, with gales or severe gales, will be in the north—west but eventually those weather fronts do make their way across england and wales. and look at the temperatures. double figures for all. so there is a low pressure, there is our weather front on tuesday, gradually making its way eastwards. the next low pressure is lining up on wednesday so pressure is lining up on wednesday so you pressure is lining up on wednesday so you are seeing
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pressure is lining up on wednesday so you are seeing the pattern as we move through the week. at high pressure is much, much further eastwards now and has relinquished its grip on the uk. so early in the week it is still close by so it is limiting how quickly the wind and the rain get5 across the eastern half of the country, so it will be wetter and wind the rear and the north—west but from mid week on those low pressure is now look as if they will push right across the uk towards scandinavia. hind then there will be temporary incursions of chilly air with showers, and they will be wintry on the hills, but then there will be another low pressure quickly following on. so bringing all parts spells of wind and rain as well. but as i say, earlier in the week they are blocked slightly by that higher pressure and there will be some chilli interludes, itjust won't be as cold as it has been in the last week or so. hello and welcome. donald trump has ended his first week as us president with a promise to maintain the special relationship with britain. hosting his first foreign visit with the british prime minister theresa may, mr trump said the two
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countries were what he called a "beacon for prosperity and the rule of law." rajini vaidya nathan reports from washington. attention! a week since he took office, president trump welcomed his first foreign leader to the white house. british prime minister theresa may, who came to power after the brexit vote in the
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